Anyone else have Fraud Filters that are not working? Been like this for about 6 months now

ChaiDirect
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The Fraud dashboard and filters in my account do not work at all. They have been providing inconsistent and contradictory data for months now. We've been hit with repeated stolen cards in the last 6 months and the fraud filters can't even properly report actual the number of chargebacks and transaction denials that are in right there in the Paypal System. So I opened a case for this about 6 months ago, and was told it was 'escalated' and they'd let me know. After 2 such messages telling me to 'hold on', I never heard from them again. Apparently Paypal has no capable tech support. 

 

Regarding the fraud slider and its 'test' button... it supposedly runs a simulation and compares the current filter settings to past transactions. Great idea. How well would these settings work on my actual past transactions? Would they deny the transactions that should be denied? Deny too many? First, let's try running the test with its CURRENT settings (or moving just slightly one direction or the other) and see if its results agree with what Paypal ACTUALLY DID in terms of denials. Nope! Totally different than real result. In other words, say we had 2 chargebacks and 30 card transaction denials in the last 30 days; I run the 'test' and it says "0 chargebacks, 0 denials." Are you kidding? This 'test' is totally worthless! Apparently it's just a 'black box' to make us think we are protected here.

 

Regarding the toggle filters underneath. First of all, how about something as simple as denying cards on the basis on not having a Name Match to the card holder? Sounds like a no brainer. But leave it to Paypal to omit this one! BTW I know it's omitted because we've had chargebacks due to Unauthorized Transaction where the actual card holder turned out to be a completely different name than what was submitted on the billing info! The transactions went right on through.

 

Another massive failure: the filters that are there are poorly explained. I've asked tech support the difference between AVS Partial Match and AVS No Match twice. No answer. Try reading the descriptions and you'll see that both would result in EXACTLY the same denials. AVS No Match, which says if the info is not a 100% match it will "result in a denial." That makes sense. If it's not a match, it should get denied. Then AVS Partial Match says a invoking this filter will result in a denial if the address is a partial match. Ahhh, guys... if a transaction is a 'partial match' it by definition is also 'not 100% match'.  What's the difference? No one in customer service can explain it because they are just reading the same non sensical info I have access to. They can't figure it out because the guys that wrote it didn't think it through.

 

It would be nice to know what these things actually do, if anything. What happens if the bank is not in the AVS system? What happens if there is a typo in the street name or number? Does it only check ZIP? how does it handle foreign cards? Not a word on such things. At one point we turned on the "Phone number" filter and it denied about 75% of ALL transactions! Useless. No explanation of what constitutes a problematic phone number.

 

Finally, why oh why don't those transaction denials show up in the 'Reason for Denials' panel? They are supposed to, of course. But my panels all say 'No Data.' Nice. It would be very useful to be able to see that when we have a particular filter turned on, and it denies, say, 10 transactions in a day, that we can relate specific transactions to the reason for denial. This way, we can know whether its helping us (denying transactions that should be denied) or hurting us (denying good customer transactions). For example, good repeat customers have called us to let us know that their card isn't going thru, and that alerts us to a problem. If it's an overly aggressive setting, then we can turn it off.

 

Instead, the whole system is botched from A to Z.

 

At one point, I saw a fraud protection upgrade where I'd pay a bit more per transaction for protection. The page just sat and spun. No idea whether it applied or not. But alas, nothing changed. Figures. Nothing here can be expected to work as advertised. It seems the system is irretrievable broken, so I'm very sorry to say I imagine we'll have to begin looking for another processor at some point. 

 

Apart from that, we are very happy with Paypal. 😉 We will wait a bit longer to see if they can get it together.

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dhaese
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i have had the same issue and been trying to disable the fraud module. When i click "get started" all I get is an endless circling wheel...it will not connect. THis has been going on for over a week. I've contacted tech support and only ever get back a stock answer telling me how to do it...FOLKS! I know HOW to do it....your site won't go there! How do I get someone at tech support that actually reads a message?? Is it all done by bots?  Getting real frustrated here, as fraud is blocking a large number of sales!

 

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SKLEnterprises
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We have had some fraud with credit and debit card checkouts.  Our fraud filters no longer work.  I've heard every excuse in the world from Paypal and I've been told they are setup and working, but we have tested them and they are not.  Paypal launched paid protection and most likely disabled the old filters though they claim they did not.  The biggest issue is the information returned on the transaction for address is bogus.  I can test my own card with the wrong address and it will come back as a match.  It was explained to me that paypal uses their own internal filter and does not return the AVS information from the issuing bank.  What that means is that if the name and address or credit card on your order has been used in paypal before, they are matching the name and address, but this is not the credit/debit AVS.  Paypal is helping the scammers here by making it easier to use stolen credit cards.  The scammers sell our products on some marketplace and then fulfill the order on our website using stolen credit cards.  Paypal says the address is a match and we ship the product.  The scammers get the money from the other marketplace.  Paypal says to go after the customer, but they would then also be scammed out of their purchase.  Paypal is helping scammers here by using their database instead of the actual AVS and CV information.  I would not recommend using the product paypal plus credit cards.

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chefkr
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Any resolution on this? I do not even know where to go to view the AVS settings. I have tested with the wrong address and it goes through, along with 1000s more fraudulent cards

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