I was the victim of a card skimmer -- PayPal is not helping me

ericmooney69
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On December 24, while at home, I received a text from PayPal reporting suspicious activity on my PayPal debit card.   I immediately (within seconds) said "NO", that is not me.    Unfortunately the thieves successfully withdrew $200 and $180 first.   I still have my card in my possession.   Obviously I was the victim of a skimming operation.     Long story short, because I honestly reported to PayPal that I STILL have my card, they are denying my claim.  They essentially said "It's impossible to make that transaction without the physical card".    Well, LOL, it definitely happened that way.   I have over $5,000 in that account and have had that level of balance for a long time.    Why would I claim $380?  Makes no sense.   I've since transferred most of that money out of PayPal because it's not secure there.  They didn't protect me.   They think I'm lying.   Below is their official response on one of the claims FYI.

Is there ANY recourse for me?  Is there a next step?   Or do I just kiss my $380 goodbye?  

 

Update on your case

We received the case(s) you filed on December 24, 2023.

We have reviewed this transaction(s) and are denying your case(s).

Our investigation has confirmed that the embedded EMV chip was validated. The EMV chip is embedded into the card, and must be present to complete the transaction. 

A review of the account shows that funds were available in the account before the disputed transaction(s) took place. The funds used did not exceed the funds available in the account. This demonstrates knowledge of the balance, that should only be known by the cardholder.  

We're sorry for any problems you may have experienced with the transaction(s).

Transaction information

Dispute Case ID
PP-R-SXD-509236992
Transaction Amount
$200.00 USD
Dispute Amount
$200.00 USD
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Grimreepr
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Couple of things are kind of vague here.  Paypal is telling you that this was a physical transaction, meaning the card was inserted into a machine by someone.  Do you have any idea of where the item was purchased?  The rabbit hole you would have to go down is a rather vast one that could involve lawyers.  The store they were in may have security cameras and able to access the time and date of the purchase and prove once and for all that the person that made the charge was indeed not you. 

 

Also the statement about the EMV chip being embedded into the card and has to be present for the charge to validate is somewhat misleading.  Vendors can bypass the EMV chip and swipe the mag strip instead, thus they bypass the EMV authentication.  BUT they state that the EMV authentication did indeed authenticate, meaning the chip was present.  Whether this is accurate or not is unknown.  They may have just checked the transaction, saw the card had an EMV chip and assumed it authenticated. 

 

If you can locate the store the bogus purchases were made at, check to see if they have security cameras and then ask if they would be willing to check at the time and date the purchases were made to see if there is footage of the perpetrator.  You may have to get the law involved if they are not willing which opens up a whole can of worms that you may not be willing to afford or pay for.

 

I guess it all depends on how far down the rabbit hole you are willing to go.

 

Possible idea here.  Talk to Paypal and see if they would be willing to reinstate the card.  Destroy yours. Send them a video of you shredding your card as proof that it is no longer viable.  If there is another charge levied on your account after your card is shredded, then it will be apparent that they have found some way to circumnavigate the EMV security.  Who knows, they might agree for no other reason than to catch a new exploit early before it hits the mainstream.

 

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ericmooney69
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Thank you for your detailed response.   PayPal told me it was an ATM at a 7-Eleven store in West Los Angeles which is about 20 miles from me.   Although $380 is a good amount of money, I'm not sure I'm going to go down the rabbit hole of driving out to the location (1 hour each way) with the chance they show me video and then keep pressing PayPal.   I thought about just filing a small claims suite against them and see where that goes but I'm guessing the small print says something about "arbitration" or whatever.    All of your ideas are very good and I would definitely go there if they stole $3K or whatever.   

 

Lastly, based on what I've read, someone can absolutely duplicated the chip if they get the info from a card skimmer.   Very annoyed PayPal is essentially saying "YOUR CARD WAS USED".   LOL, no, it was not.   Anyway, thanks again!   I'll think on it.

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