Received problematic return from buyer

ahhhhhhhh
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I sold an item to a buyer, and documented my shipment carefully as I was packing it up as I usually do to prevent fraudulent claims. 2 days after getting the item, a pair of boots, the buyer asked me for a refund due to supposed damage to the boots. After confirming with my own photos that this did not happen on my end and must have been caused by him, I denied him a return. He created then escalated a PayPal dispute, and despite my far superior evidence, PayPal sided with him and allowed him to create a return.

 

He returned the item, and I videoed myself opening the return box. It shows the boots were clearly worn and scratched up almost to the point of tearing in some places. I uploaded screenshots, the video itself, and an explanation to PayPal, as the product was clearly damaged by the buyer in ways outside of what he described in his original message, and further proves the fraudulence of the underlying claim. But now there's an automated message asking me to either "Notify PayPal," which only has the option to say that you received the item and which indicates that it will send the refund, or a "Send Refund" button. I don't know what to do here, as I need the evidence to be reviewed so the refund isn't automatically sent, but all these options suggest the refund will be sent anyway. And there is no longer a "Provide Additional Information" option. 

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kernowlass
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@ahhhhhhhh 

 

In the event of an item received but not as described dispute it is always one persons word against anothers.

Paypal is the middleman so make a judgement call.

They tend to find for the buyer BUT the buyer must return the item first at their own expense trackable to prove delivery before you have to refund.

To be honest even if you uploaded photos there is nothing to say that those were the boots you sent or that was returned to you so again one persons word against another's. I would put this down to one of the risks of online selling, refund and block the buyer. 


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ahhhhhhhh
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So if they ship you back a box of rocks instead, you're out of luck, even if you have video of you opening the box? Because while it's not literally rocks, the damage the buyer did here is basically equivalent in terms of reducing the value of the product to near 0. And I have 3 options, "Send Refund," "Notify PayPal" or do nothing, all of which seem to auto-resolve this in favor of the buyer with no further review.

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kernowlass
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@ahhhhhhhh 

 

How does paypal know you did not ship rocks in the first place?

 

As a seller you have to configure the odd pain in the butt buyer and loss as part of your business. 

 

Does not stop you from taking your own private action against the buyer ie small claims court if you have that option in your country?


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