scamming fruad and refund issues

LauC
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Dear PayPal Customer Service, I am writing to express my profound disappointment with the recent experience I had while attempting to issue a refund through your platform. As a long-time user of PayPal, I have come to expect a certain level of efficiency and reliability from your services. Unfortunately, my recent interactions have left me feeling frustrated and dissatisfied. On 6/30/2024, I initiated a refund for a transaction involving a scam]. Despite following the procedures outlined on your website, I encountered several significant issues that have not yet been resolved. Firstly, the process to issue the refund was unnecessarily complicated and lacked clear instructions. As a user who is familiar with your platform, I was surprised by the difficulty I faced in navigating through the steps. This complexity is both time-consuming and counterintuitive, making it a burdensome task for customers. Secondly, after submitting the refund request, I received conflicting information from your customer support team. Each representative I spoke with provided a different explanation for the delay in processing my refund. ( a robot not even a human representative ) This lack of consistency and clarity only added to my frustration and eroded my trust in your customer service. Moreover, the time it has taken to resolve this issue is unacceptable. Despite multiple follow-ups, the refund has yet to be processed, causing undue stress and inconvenience. As a platform that prides itself on fast and reliable service, this delay is highly disappointing. I urge PayPal to review and improve its refund process to ensure it is user-friendly and efficient. Additionally, providing consistent and accurate information through customer support is crucial in maintaining customer trust and satisfaction. I hope that my concerns are taken seriously and that corrective actions are implemented to prevent such experiences in the future. I look forward to a swift resolution to my refund issue and a response detailing the steps that will be taken to address these problems.

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toafafasi
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I really need you help to get my refund back pls
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KathRt
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I just “lost” my fight over a scammer…paypal has no protection at all for costumers, in fact they just changed it a month ago… I was supposed to be elegible for costumer protection but as I noticed all this month, their idea of costumer service is far away from what should be…they make the process almost unbearable because they want us to let it go… I was asked for pictures, estimates, and a lot of information “as part of the process” but they dont even check, care or even try to help… Paypal allowed the scammer to rob me…I was determinate to fight longer but their agents just told me that they couldnt do more for me…some of the agents were rude, some just didnt care…and some just gave me fake hope or tasks….The bank told me that they couldnt help me either because paypal was involved…so, unfortunately If I want justice I will need a lawyer… I shared my story here so people know that paypal customer service is run by people trained to discourage you…please check their new customer protection policy…you will see they wont cover or protect you….
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Sunny958
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I found PayPal to be one of the worst apps to issue a payment through because of there refund policy!! Completely agree with OP! This app has a very long waiting period compared to others for refunds. Hope PayPal can figure this out! As I loved using the app until a month ago. And will now be switching services.. 😞
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Reiknar
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I too have recently had similar issues, just this morning (10/28/2024).

I woke up to an email on my phone, that a suspicious payment of $799.99 from Coinbase was being processed. I immediately called the customer support phone number for PayPal provided in the email.

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Went through processes with someone claiming to be "David" for about 14 minutes before he asked me to download a program called "Paypal.exe" which I then refused to do, insisting this was beyond suspicious. He attempted to cajole me about how could I find it or him suspicious given we had been speaking for such a long time (this was of course also suspicious). I pointed out it had been only 14 minutes at that point. I demanded he pass this up the ladder to his supervisor, he attempted to dissuade me, and then relented. His supposed supervisor then attempted the same thing, and when I insisted I would not install their little app to get their IT team remote access to my PC, he asked me to hold. I waited a few minutes, I could still hear all of the call center noise in the background, and then he hung up on me.

 

Tried the second number and again got someone saying their name was "David", who insisted they were not the same person as before. They began to look up information on my account, and then abruptly hung up on me.

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PayPal_Shradha
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Hello @Reiknar,

 

Thank you for your post and welcome to the community! 

We are sorry to hear that you have received a email notification about the purchase you haven't made. What you describe receiving is a common ploy that fraudsters use to trick people using email. Kindly avoid clicking any link and do not open or download attached documents in email. Kindly do not call or message on the contact number mentioned in an email. If you have received an email mentioning contact PayPal support team, always reach out to us by logging in to your PayPal account and contact our customer support.

 

Also, If you receive a suspicious email that is related to PayPal, then always check your resolution centre by log in to your PayPal account. If you didn't find any related details in the resolution centre means it's a fraud. Here's a great Help Center article on How to spot fake, fraudulent, or phishing PayPal emails or websites and What are common scams and how do I spot them?

 

I hope that helps!

 

Warm Regards,

Shradha

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Reiknar
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You are of course correct Shradha. It took a while of digging around and finding the right number to call, but after some time on the phone with some actual representatives of PayPal I was able to sort out what had happened and ensure that no attempted fraudulent purchases were successful on my account.

The representatives I spoke with were Sisa, who then passed me up to Cherie (apologies if I misspelled either of their names). Both were wonderfully helpful both in sorting out what had occurred, how to reverse the few changes that were made to my account (the fraudsters had "upgraded" my account from personal to business and were attempting to use my account as a go-between to defraud other people - CoinBase Billing was the name of the "business" they were attempting to pass me off as). Sisa and Cherie were also both helpful in reassuring me that no purchase attempts were successful and none were still pending.

 

Any complaints I have with PayPal itself at this point have to do with how difficult it was to find the number to call. You attempt to funnel me through a bunch of FAQ, both on the website and then once I call the number, again funnel me through a bunch of FAQ with a voice responsive audio bot. In the event that some purchase attempts were being made successfully, this wasted time would have been far more than annoying. For a service such as PayPal it needs to be much simpler to call and get to talk to a live person.

 

For any that come along reading this later on, the most helpful heads up I received from speaking with Sisa and then Cherie, was the revelation that PayPal's emails are always personalized. The scammers will attempt to replicate this in such a way as to fool you, and try to get you to react quickly without thinking and either click their links or get on the phone with them where they will attempt to talk you through giving them control of your computer.

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The part there where it says "Hello, your payment went through successfully..." - where this a legitimate PayPal email notification, it would have just said "Hello Reiknar" followed by the body of the email. Also worth noting, PayPal wouldn't have sent me an "Invoice".

I did make the mistake of giving these people access to my PayPal account, during that short time they were able to change my account from personal to business with the name CoinBase Billing. Same name as in the original "Invoice' they sent me. At that point, emails from PayPal itself were indeed coming through, at first with the header "Hello Reiknar", but I was further confused by one that said, "Hello CoinBase". Cherie was the person that helped me sort that out.

 

As it turns out, PayPal's web layout is VERY different for a business account vs a personal account. Having only ever had a personal account, I didn't realize this, and just though the differences I was seeing were the result of updates to a service I haven't made frequent use of in the last four years or so. As I mentioned to Cherie before we were done on the phone, the business account layout is much more helpful, easier to understand and navigate. There is no good reason for the difference in layouts, unless it's PayPal's way of trying to get money from their users. See, a business account gets charged a % fee on all transactions... personal accounts do not. Would you pay a % fee on all transactions just to have a more user friendly layout? I won't. I'll just be less likely to make use of PayPal's services in the future. I'll maintain my PayPal account just in case I do need it for something, but I will attempt to find another way to pay for what I need whenever possible. As noted, I haven't actually used my account in about 4 years now. Not missing it really. I DID try recently to use PayPal, to simplify funding a KickStarter I wanted to support. Turns out, they don't accept PayPal. Perhaps THAT is something PayPal should look into, it's not so useful when merchants reject your form of payment.

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Lovenature
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Hi LauC, I completely agree with you about using PayPal account. 

My PayPal account was compromised, criminals gained access to my account, adding an unknown Citi bank account, changed the setting so that all money came in totaling CA$2,800 was automatically transferred to that account opened in England, each representative provided me different information, while I live in Canada. The added unknown bank account is from Citi Bank while there is no Citi Bank in Canada at all. Further, the unknown account isn't under my name, and the unknown account has not been confirmed yet. Therefore, PayPal's verification of bank accounts is problematic. Notably, I didn't receive the email from PayPal about this amount was transferred from my PayPal account to the unknown account, otherwise I could be more alerted. This is how the criminals find significant loopholes in PayPal. Therefore, without PayPal fixing these issues, more victims are expected.

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